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Ok now we are getting officious. PC and Yellow? for something that really had zero effect on the game? yeah if he had grabbed it and run away with him then definately penalise and probably yellow card him. But all he did was set the ball up for what was going to happen anyway.

Depending on the level I would either (a) call the sixteen and explain to the guy that he isnt allowed to do that. or if i was feeling cheeky (b) tell the sub to get off the field before announcing "play on the ball never went out"

although i dont know that i could ever bring myself to call (b). but guys lets not try and find ways to blow the whistle, this is getting crazy

Why is it PC?  Rules say that if you have more than 11 players on pitch then stop time to correct - can be personal penalty against captain (not the sub who came on) and then restart with FH.

It's still a deliberate offence by the defence within the 25 even if he was only trying to be helpfull. If this game were on a grass pitch with a run off where a significant time delay would be incurred by having to go and fetch the ball, I might be inclined to have a serious word. Since this probably happened on an artificial turf with a run off of a metre or two, there is no real excuse for the sub's actions so some form of more serious action would be required. I think awarding a PC would have the more immediate positive result especially if you point out a yellow card could have been issued to both the captain and the sub meaning the team could be 2 down as well as having a PC awarded against them. Then again awarding a free hit to the attack as the point of interception might also have the desired result. Depends on the mood of the game and one of those decisions you would have to make up your mind on the spot.

I think i witnessed one of the worst bits of umpiring I have seen in a related situation.

I was watching a second team game where unusually for the side I watch they actually had some subs.  No coach or anything to manage subs and so they were sorting it themselves and running on and off at the halfway line.  Opposition umpire, with "his" team 3-1 down, suddenly blows up and calls the captain over.  Apparently the player coming on had crossed the line before the player coming off had done so, and so technically (albeit for max of 2 seconds) they had 12 players on the pitch.  Accordingly he gave a YC to the captain.  This was made worse by the fact that the captain was the goalkeeper - and so the game was stopped (it was before new rules) to allow keeper to take kit off etc - and then again when he came back on.  During this period "his" team scored twice to make 3-3.  It would be fair to say he wasn't overly popular but it was also ridiculous as the offence had 0 effect on the game and nobody other than him had even noticed.

I have seen a "12th" player recieve a pass before the player he was replacing left the pitch further down.

Maybe we should introduce "tag" subsitution like tag wrestling?

Gringe wrote:

I think i witnessed one of the worst bits of umpiring I have seen in a related situation.

I was watching a second team game where unusually for the side I watch they actually had some subs.  No coach or anything to manage subs and so they were sorting it themselves and running on and off at the halfway line.  Opposition umpire, with "his" team 3-1 down, suddenly blows up and calls the captain over.  Apparently the player coming on had crossed the line before the player coming off had done so, and so technically (albeit for max of 2 seconds) they had 12 players on the pitch.  Accordingly he gave a YC to the captain.  This was made worse by the fact that the captain was the goalkeeper - and so the game was stopped (it was before new rules) to allow keeper to take kit off etc - and then again when he came back on.  During this period "his" team scored twice to make 3-3.  It would be fair to say he wasn't overly popular but it was also ridiculous as the offence had 0 effect on the game and nobody other than him had even noticed.

Be careful of accusing umpires of bias gringe. A lot of people get fairly irritated when you say that an umpire cost you the game cause they were being biased.

That being said, that is one of the worst displays of umpiring ive heard of, unless the player was actually playing the ball as seabee says, then find better things to do with you time.

Actually it is my experience that the players either don't know the rules or when they break them hope that the umpire won't apply them and berate them when they do.